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 how to set LIFT/CANT?
Author: jeremy son 
Date:   11-10-04 17:42

hi,
i bought Nitro Naturals with Salmon Malamute boots, and Catek Freeride.
i'm decide to set the stance 48/42.(goofy)
i have no idea to set the lift/ cant stuff.
what's best for me

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 Re: how to set LIFT/CANT?
Author: Pre-School Rider 
Date:   11-13-04 20:50

Allright, I'll bite, since no one else has. With that stance, one I consider to be a classic freecarver's stance, I'd go with only a slight rear-foot heel lift, and a very minor, hardly noticable toe lift on the front. In degrees (in case you're using the 'degree calculator' from this site's "Tech Info" page) , that'd be 2*- 4* of lift under the rear, 1* - 2* at the front's toe. No Cant, yet. If you find you're overpressuring the nose, add a degree or two of inward cant from the front binding.. If you're a bit late getting the nose to 'hook-up', then it's some cant to the rear binding, maybe 2* to as much as 5* there, depends on the tail flex (power) of your board.
BTW, Why are you using such high angles on a Nitro Supernatural? I run those angles on a Tanker or Reto, sure, but in Hardboots. In softshells, it's better to be just about On your board's edges, not inboard of them, so I notch things back into the mid-30's on boards that wide using softies. Just a thought; You may find those angles, even on a board as soft/wide as the Supernatural to be fine for your style, so Try It, then settle in on what Feels best. Consider your setup to be 'experimental', and play with it a bit.
With the Catek Freeride, the possibilities are many, but work within smaller changes, just to keep it more constant and predictable, but Try Stuff. Riding a few variations of your set-up can lead you to understand how it all works, and make you a more aware rider in the process. As I've said, Ride what Feels right, as your body often knows way before the brain does what'll Work. And, just so you know, I've had those 'perfect' setups maybe on 7 boards in 27 years of riding.. LOL

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 Re: how to set LIFT/CANT?
Author: jeremy son 
Date:   11-15-04 00:42

i really appreciate your reply.
it's so! enough for me!
thank you again!Pre-School Rider wrote:

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 Re: how to set LIFT/CANT?
Author: jeremy son 
Date:   11-15-04 01:02

anyways , i'm just wonder what stance u recommend for me?(30~40*f/30~40*r) and what's best lift/cant with it? just let me know
your personal comment
thank you again!

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 Re: how to set LIFT/CANT?
Author: Pre-School Rider 
Date:   11-15-04 12:59

Jerremy, Scroll down the list of topics on the Forum here, and find the thread 'Roger' started titled "Help, Cant/Lift question. There (near the end of the thread) you'll find photos posted by Lonerider of his Donek Axis leaded up on edge with boots/bindings on it. That shows the relationship of bindings/boots to the board edges clearly, and just how far he can tip that pup up on edge before booting out. Those are angles pretty close to what you propose using on your Supernatural, yet the Axis is 3cm narrower than the Nitro. The idea is to find a balance of boot/binding clearance, and power transmission to the board's edges. So, you'd want to place your angles so that the boots/bindings don't catch on the snow at 85* of tip, yet place the rider's Feet very close to the edge. Just what those actual numbers will be for you is a guess, but I'd look at going from 48*F/42*R to maybe 42*F/36*R ? Riding with your feet way inboard of the edges is do-able, but it does interfere with the 'feel' underfoot, mostly because you have lever the board up onto edge fro the highback or ankle strap instead of just pressuring from the heel/toes. Eventually, Riding will tell you what'll work for you, I can only hint at stuff from afar...

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 Donek Incline not Axis
Author: lonerider 
Date:   11-15-04 15:25

Just thought I should point that out (24 cm waist). And the stance angles in the photos are 18*/3* (nothing close to 48*/42*). I have since lowered the baseplate 1 full turn on all 4 screws (4 turns riser) to insure thread engagement and increased the angle to 21*/6* (With 0.5*/0.5* Front and 1*/1* back cant/lift on a 20" stance).

Took it out yesterday and it was a blast to ride on the semi-hardpark at Kirkwood. I was railing heelside turns like never before (carving nice 15 semi-circles that can be seen the rest of the day from the lifts), working on keeping my butt tucked into over the board and my lead shoulder turning into the direction of turn, with my arms low and in front of me extending diagonally forward from the board like this - "\|/" boot drag on the toes only occured if I over-tilted the edge too much, but it was gone on the heelside now.

It still feels like it was a little slow to intiate my carves and I had trouble forcing my weight forward, so I think I'm going to go with 2* inward cant on the back foot (should I increase toe/heel lift?). Also need to work on being more dynamic through the turns and getting a toe/heelside rhythm when I doing deep hard carves at higher speeds.

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 Re: how to set LIFT/CANT?
Author: Pre-School Rider 
Date:   11-15-04 16:33

Oops, I thought you had steeper angles, Lonerider !

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 Re: how to set LIFT/CANT?
Author: jeremy son 
Date:   11-15-04 18:42

hi, thank you for your answer. i read it and i tried for 42F/ 36R but still dont know about lift/cant .
i told me to be 2*- 4* of lift under the rear, 1* - 2* at the front's toe.
what about cant? any advises?

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 Re: how to set LIFT/CANT?
Author: D-Sub 
Date:   11-15-04 19:01

jeremy

I think the beauty of these bindings is that you can experiment with them. as SWT said, try them flat first, no cant, and then go from there. Usually a good idea to start from scratch

plan to spend a couple days tweakin on em, and then youre done!



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 Re: how to set LIFT/CANT?
Author: swt 
Date:   11-15-04 21:27

Jeremy:

I'd second PSR's recommendation of no cant or very minimal cant at the angles you've mentioned. If you really want to add some cant, try 1/2* to 1* of inward cant on front and rear feet, or just the rear foot. A little cant goes a long way.

swt

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 Re: how to set LIFT/CANT?
Author: D-Sub 
Date:   11-16-04 04:48

oops. swt not PSR:)

all these abbreviations confuse me

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